How to not convince a person global warming is real

5 Ways To Talk With Conservatives About Climate Change

Can’t do that with progressives, talk that is. Many merely scream and yell and call people deniers (see the ending of this piece that is supposed to be conciliatory). These are some suggestions I found on Care2.com for talking to conservatives about global warming, which apparently they think will work,and my responses in red:

1. Climate change is real and it’s happening now. It’s happening all over the world and the poorest people are the ones who are suffering the most. If Conservatives, especially those of the religious persuasion, truly care for their neighbors, climate change should be high on their list of priorities.

First, they are suggesting…..an appeal to religion. Not science, but religion. Plus they suggest claiming climate change is already happening. (Of course it is—it always has. Tell us something we don’t know. Same for not using science in the argument. This is not going to win converts unless the person is easily “guilted” into a certain behaviour. And, again, this is not science. The actual science says the effects are not being felt and most of what is claimed is a desperate, last-ditch effort to preserve the “end-of-the-world” meme in spite of all evidence to the contrary.)

2. There are many causes that Conservatives can support, but caring for the environment envelops three of the key foundational tenants of this movement: trans-generational loyalty, the need for home, and the priority of local economy.

Try bringing in trans-generational loyalty (that term alone will alienate most conservatives since it’s progressive speak), the need for home (how that is supposed to work, I have no idea), and the priority of local economy (also a losing idea—local is good only in specific cases, not one-size-fits-all). Not a convincing argument.

3. Even though most Conservatives believe in God as the omnipotent designer of the Earth, it is important to note that as humans, we have the power to make our own choices. Believing in climate change isn’t an insult to God, it’s an acknowledgment of responsibility!

Believing in global warming is not an insult to God? Seriously, we just elevated ourselves to God’s level by saying we control the climate. A quick study of religion may be in order before anything in this area is tried again.

4. By replacing our energy sources with clean energy, we can reduce the human impact of climate change and therefore reduce the burden on the environment. Being good stewards of the Earth is a motto taught in Sunday School, and it doesn’t end when you walk out the doors of the church.

Now we get replacing our energy with clean energy as a suggestion. IF we had any, we would. The bird killing, bat-chomping environmental disasters called wind turbines and solar panels are NOT clean by anyone’s estimation, except in the minds of uninformed climate change believers. Land is destroyed, radioactivity is dumped in valleys in China, mines and chemicals are involved. Massive fossil fuel usage in transportation, installation, and then energy only when the sun shines or the wind blows. Thousands of miles of high-voltage transmission lines (the very ones environmentalist opposed in the 70’s). That is NOT a clean energy source.

5. And finally, teach your friends and family about conserving the environment. Start small with your children, capitalizing on their curiosity about the world around them. Moms Clean Air Force provides all the important resources to help you arm yourself with the facts and teach your family to stand up to skeptics and climate change deniers!

The piece suggests “Moms Clean Air Force” page. (I’ve written on the completely unscientific nature of Moms—this will not help the case for global warming believers trying to appeal to a rational listener. https://whynotwind.wordpress.com/2012/09/24/moms-clean-air-force-clueless-and-dangerous/)

Note, too, that they insult the very people they are trying to convince by calling them “deniers”, when there is NO science in what these individuals are writing. Perhaps if they actually looked at the science and could actually understand it, they would realize they are the ones going against science.

All in all, the suggestions are emotional appeals to try and get people to mindlessly agree with the global warming camp. Public flogging of those who dare to disagree might be more effective and would certainly be more honest. It’s all emotional blackmail, devoid of science.  Is anyone surprised?

 

(Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/5-ways-to-talk-with-conservatives-about-climate-change.html#ixzz45jRQSdbY)

Snow jobs

Two snow jobs for the week:

The “Gore effect” strikes again. Last week, Gore had to drive into Harvard due to a heavy spring snow storm on the East Coast cancelling flights. He could make a lot more money and actually perform a valuable service as “Al the Snowmaker”. Need more snow? Invite Al and you’re sure to get some! Anyway, it’s as scientific as global warming and at least serves a truly useful purpose.

RICO and global warming questioners:

The use of the RICO act against global warming questioners is an admission that the global warming is not a persuasive argument and that it can only be sold by force. This is also an admission that it is not science. Science is sold by reason and facts, not lawsuits. Admittedly, this probably started with teaching evolution and lawsuits about that. People run to court when their case is very, very weak and they hope to con a judge or jury into feeling sorry for them and ruling against the stronger argument. Sadly, that can be a “winning” strategy, in the same way dropping a nuclear weapon can end a neighborhood dispute. It’s completely inappropriate, underhanded and an admission of lying or deception on the part of the one bringing the RICO act. It’s winning at any cost.  IF we had a scientifically literate society and not a bunch of sheep bleating their allegience to whomever is the scariest and meanest and nastiest person around, this would not happen. But humans tend to be sheep and are lead to the slaughter over and over, with merely a word or a gesture. No force needed. Just don’t tell me you “care” about the planet and your kid’s future. If you did, you wouldn’t be obediently walking into the slaughter pen. (Note: People are not pigs—pigs fight back. Calling men and policemen pigs is actually a very high complement.)

The use of the RICO act is also proof that the goal here is not to stop the companies and groups from existing, but rather to tax them just as was done with cigarettes. In spite of cigarettes being “a horribly dangerous product”, it was never outlawed. The government continues to allow the sale of a killer product to the public. Hollywood continues to portray smoking as acceptable. It was never about harm, but rather about money. No one wants to shut down global warming questioners, they want to tax the daylights out them. If these groups turn over their donor lists, the government can punitively tax the donors (except the ones that give to the Democratic Party, of course) and increase revenue. The organization itself is not the target—the donors and corporations are. As for silencing global warming critics, the vast majority work for free or donations from readers, so there’s nothing to tax there. The government is just hoping the saber rattling will scare critics into hiding or make them irrelevent.

This may be a poor time to try this—oil and gas are laying off and shutting down along with coal. The government has effectively strangled the golden goose for now. Trying to squeeze a few more eggs out is a futile effort. However, since there is NO alternative to oil and gas (try building a turbine from scratch with NO oil or gas or coal), there’s a chance some income can be had. Enough to keep the government going until the next target can be acquired.

“Nearly 150 academics have signed on to the cause, including George Woodwell, founder and director emeritus of Woods Hole Research Center; James Powell, former president of the science museums of Los Angeles and of the Franklin Institute in Philadelphia; and some prominent climate researchers, like James Hansen of NASA, Michael Mann of Penn State University, and Kevin Trenberth of the National Center for Atmospheric Research. (From cityjournal.org   April 6, 2016)

If ever there was list of RICO type behaviours, there it is. So-called “independent” scientists who receive millions, if not billions, from the government to continue the global warming mantra at all costs, including possible data manipulation (interesting that the past cools, the present warms and that just happens to be the way these folks want the data to go). Talk about incentive to keep up the tale and do everything possible to silence those who see your gravy train for what it is. Oil and gas should be so lucky as to have an endless government blank check.
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The Gore Effect

Roundup of the latest news

Summer of 2030 heat wave could kill 11,000, White House says

“Because of the science we have in this report and the modeling that was done, we can say that the increase in heat-related deaths far exceeds the decrease in cold related deaths. And we know that because of science,” said U.S. Surgeon General Vivek Murthy.

All those years of mocking psychics and now the Surgeon General is saying predicting the future is science. Apologies to all of you psychics that were demeaned or insulted or bullied as not being scientists.

In a way, the report may be correct. If the USA keeps raising energy prices, killing jobs and destroying the economy, death could be a result, especially when air conditioning is killed off.  It’s impossible for wind turbines and solar panels to provide air conditioning at today’s level, so the government is just stating the fact that it intends to deprive people of cheap energy even if it kills them.

USA Today April 4, 2016

Well said:

Mark Steyn provided the answer at the Princeton Club Tuesday: “The great thing about professing to ‘Save the Planet’ is that it absolves you of the need to do anything.”

https://stream.org/climate-surprise-co2-good-earth/

CO2 is not a thermostat

If your home had a thermostat that when turned up two degrees warmed the house anywhere from a half a degree to 5 degrees, you would replace it. Yet CO2 has no direct relationship to the temperature of the earth but it is treated as if it were. It’s time to replace that thermostat with one that works or admit we have never actually found a single mechanism that increases the temperature of the earth and therefor humans have no ability to regulate or exert major influence over earth’s temperature.

Selective science

Ever notice how people selectively choose science? Global warming believers throw science out as a justification for “we have to do something” and then dump science when it says nuclear energy is the best solution to CO2 in the air or when it comes to things like fracking. As usual, it’s not about science at all, it’s about winning the game any way you can. Science does not pick and choose, yet its so-called believers do so constantly. So the next time someone says “It’s about the science”, point out that nuclear is the best choice for reducing CO2 in the air and fracking is a wonderful way to get more energy currently while we implement nuclear—science says so.

Can they be any less intelligent and convincing?

“Last Month Was The Hottest March In The Global Satellite Record, And The Arctic Is Still Sizzling”    (headline from Climate Progress April 4)

Please, please, tell me none of these people are EVER involved in the preparation of food. If the Arctic is “sizzling”, I can see the biggest epidemic of food poisoning seen by man. Why is it these individuals never see just how stupid they are?  (Stupid is the only word that applies here—if you are offended, I’m sorry you’re offended by reality.)  A five year old can tell you ice does NOT sizzle.

Humans beings should be extinct

“Climate change threatens hearts, lungs but also brains, says US study)

(from http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/78557847/Climate-change-threatens-hearts-lungs-but-also-brains-says-US-study)

Human beings are incredibly fragile creatures that, according to every single theory of evolution, should not exist anymore. Actually, the headline is more accurate than it would appear—climate change has indeed increased the level of ignorance and the belief in superstition among those who follow the cult of climate change.  I doubt that particular truth was the intent of the writer, however.

 

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Sparrows feeling the sizzle

What are the odds?

Graham Readfearn—Desmog Blog

“From hot to fractionally less hot, here are the planet’s ten warmest years on record – 2015, 2014, 2010, 2005, 2007, 2013, 2009, 1998, 2002 and 2006.

These are the numbers according to NASA and include measurements taken on land and at sea in a record that goes back to the year 1880.

Now that’s a pretty remarkable run of hot years for an era when, according to the rusted-on professional climate science denialists, global warming was supposed to have stopped.

But what are the chances of getting a run of “hottest on record” years like that – 14 of the 16 hottest years all happening since 2000 – without all the extra greenhouse gases that humans have been judiciously stockpiling in the atmosphere and oceans?

Well, the chances of this happening, climate scientist Professor Michael Mann tells me, are… wait for it…  one-in-13000.  Mann, of Penn State University, is the lead author of a new paper published in Nature’s Scientific Reports.

The study takes in data up to 2014, when the chance of that hot streak was one-in-10000.  Since the study was submitted, Mann has re-run the numbers to include the new “hottest year” of 2015, giving us the one-in-13000 number.”

Hillary won several primary delegates with a 15 in 1000 odds for coin tosses. Odds are just that—odds. They matter only in Las Vegas and other gambling institutions. “Odds” do not prove causality. Even p-values are of very limited use in establishing cause.  In the past, a low p-value was said to show causality, but over time, the goal was to produce a p-value of a desired size and one could manipulate the data to get that answer. Plus, some low p-values “proved” theories that could not be verified with additional research.  It happens over and over that what is a 1 in a million chance happens, sometimes three or four times in a short period. There is NOTHING in this study that proves humans are causing anything or that the globe will get hotter. Statistics are highly manipulative and can be used to prove anything you like if you care nothing about science or procedure. My college statistics books included “How to Lie with Statistics”. We also covered in marketing psychology how to influence people by presenting statistics in a certain way and getting them to buy our products. None of this is about actual “hard” science—it’s guesswork with a computer and carefully chosen wording to SELL the product. Science is about sales now, not truth.

The same technique is used with so-called extreme events.  A 100 year flood does not mean a flood of this size occurs once in a hundred years, but people believe it does because that’s what it sounds like.  It means a flood of this size has a 1% chance of occurring in any one year.  A flood of said size can occur two years in row, also.

Science has less than 200 years of temperature measurement, much of it adjusted or estimated, yet we are to believe that the current warm years are the harbinger of doom.  That’s no rational.  We do not know any such thing.

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What are the odds of seeing me?

Pretty Colors

Remember when people basically laughed at the primitive notions of gods controlling the weather and other such pseudoscience? Well, the primitive nature gods are back, except this time they have scientifically sounding names like CO2. CO2 is a god that can wipe out Tibetan plateaus (which in the primitive past would have been caused by a god of another name), cause more extreme weather sometime in the future (the CO2 god is not very cooperative about giving dates—too many problems with false information carelessly put out there by followers that made the god look foolish), cause hot weather, cold weather, drought, blizzards and all manor of weather of chaos. Some question the god CO2, asking how can warming of the planet, brought about by the great god CO2, can cause blizzards? Blasphemy!!! You uneducated heathens. HOW DARE YOU? The god of CO2 will dump FEET of snow on you. Should you also have the audacity to question any of the teachings of the god, you will be called Deniers and Heretics and jailed if the followers have their ways. In the old days, people sacrificed virgins, but those are very tough to come by now, so jailing is the proper action.

If you have any doubt, check out:
Michael Mann was convinced of global warming by COLOR maps. NOT DATA—pretty colored maps. It works well with all toddlers, you know. Color something red and it’s hot, blue and it’s cold. Works even for stoves, if you color them blue, the toddler will touch the stove even if he is told it’s hot.  Blue means cold.  Here we have a supposed scientist witha PhD (those are certainly worthless nowadays) who suddenly saw a pretty map and freaked out. As we have long suspected, THERE WAS NO SCIENCE.
This brings up a good point—all maps in science should be done in GRAYSCALE. No published maps in anything but grayscale and the media should be forbidden from using color maps. All color maps should be referred to as “propaganda tools” and children should be taught to mock and laugh at the maps and graphs. Colors are for toddlers, not grownups. Even if an entire branch of so-called science is based on a toddler looking at a colored map.  Perhaps if we had grown-ups in climate science activists and peddlers…..Sorry, activists and peddlers are rarely grown-up and ALWAYS rely on deception to sell their point.  What was I thinking…..

From The Sydney Morning Herald: Age, gender, race? Climate scepticism is predominantly party political

This shows fairly definitively that climate change is not about science, but rather politics. Why? Try to think of another scientific idea where politics matters. There is, of course, nutritional science, which involves the government telling people what to eat—politics, not science. How about the existence of the Higgs boson? Is that a Democrat versus Republican thing? The speed of light? How gravity works? None of these are influenced by politics. Why? Because no political gain can be obtained by altering or controlling the information. On the other hand, climate and nutrition can both be used to control the population, to outlaw things politicians don’t want and to legalize things politicians do want. Science is not politics, but politics can take certain sciences and create a dialogue that leads to the desired outcome, often removing any resemblance to science in the product being peddled.  Democrats want more government, as do some Republicans, it seems, so Democrats believe the “science” that serves their purpose—global warming will kill us all. Same for Republicans. Many just want the government out of their lives so they follow the “science” that serves their purpose—global warming scam. Yet neither actually follow the “science” in many cases. They are following the politics, thus the correlation. If climate science wasn’t based on politics instead of science, people might be more willing to believe it outside of party lines, especially if the scientists actually followed scientific method and stopped prescribing solutions and becoming activists. As I have said in other posts, an activist is NOT a scientist. The two are mutually exclusive. (If anyone needs a venn diagram to see this as “science”, I can oblige. I’m kind of being sarcastic. It would be grayscale, of course.)

(http://www.smh.com.au/environment/age-gender-race-climate-scepticism-is-predominantly-party-political-20160222-gn05y0.html#ixzz410JuGhA4 )

Climate science has already dragged in religion in an attemp to sell the political actions.  How long can it be before psychics and other similar individuals are added?  Then there’s the conspiracy theories they push (yes, global warming believers are very strong believers in conspiracies especially when it involves the Koch brothers.  They are some sort of evil entity that threaten the planet for profit.  Interesting conspiracy ideation.)  It’s a very sad day each time science is protituted by politics in the hope of gaining control over populations, while destroying science and any hope of finding the truth.  It’s about winning, not about truth.

 

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Selling trinkets for “science”—the old gypsy wagon returns!

(Inspired by a posting on Greenie Watch)

A War No One Really Cares About Winning

There are lawsuits in the against the EPA and its clean coal regulations. There is a fast, easy way to stop all this nonsense in a very short time—shut down ALL coal fired plants NOW. All of them, today. Don’t worry that 40% of the electricity in the USA will be lost—it didn’t matter to the EPA, why should it matter to you? Of course, no one has what it takes to actually stop the nonsense—which makes me question if they even want to. Why are they going through courts when the solution is right in front of them? Perhaps because they don’t really care at all about this and just want to look proactive? That’s the only explanation I have. Coal companies and power companies CAN stop the “war on coal”, but they don’t and they won’t.  Again, ask yourself why.

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(A sign I found on the internet—seems appropriate here.  Made a sign, so what more could I do?  We filed a lawsuit—what more could we do?)

 

 

 

Is it weather or is it climate?

“Record Report
Statement as of 12:28 am MST on November 22, 2015

… Record low temperature set at Riverton WY…

Clear skies and fresh snow brought very cold temperatures yesterday
morning. A record low temperature of -4 degrees was set at Riverton
WY yesterday. This breaks the old record of 1 set in 2000. Note the
records for the Riverton site only date back to 1995.

The record low temperature at the cooperative observer site in
Riverton for November 21st is -24 degrees… which was set in 1977.”

Obviously, this is weather.  It’s also a great example of using very limited data (20 years) when proclaiming hottest or coldest.  Climate is generally considered to be calculated in 30 year intervals.  Which interval of 30 years varies.  One would think it would be 30 years back from the day the record was set.  Actually, it’s generally not.  One can also use the average for the 20th century, the average for all years for which we have instrumental records, etc.  Which average is used affects the amount of warming.

The latest example of confusing weather and climate was the December warm weather along the East coast.  The media was publishing pictures of mail carriers in shorts.  It was a very warm December.  Then January came and the blizzard hit.  Suddenly it became very apparent it was a warm December in terms of weather but the climate may or may not have changed.  Snow returned, perhaps just a bit later than last year.  There is, of course, no law in nature that snow must start at the same time each year or fall in the same amount each year.  Natural variability exists.  Yet each time there is warm weather, the media jumps on this a being “global warming” and ignores snow.  Neither a hot summer or a cold winter proves anything except weather is variable.  No matter how many times the media tries to sell the lie, it can never be the truth.

Found this on a climate blog:

“Can you imagine disastrous storms like Hurricane Katrina becoming increasingly frequent and possibly more devastating? What about the entirety of Manhattan being permanently submerged? These are two of many possible outcomes of unchecked global warming, according to Steve Sawyer, a climate policy official at a UN climate change conference.”

The use of the word “imagine” is quite appropriate here.  The quote is 7 years old and hurricanes are at one of the lowest levels in recent decades.  REAL scientists (note the speaker is a “climate policy official, not a scientist) say Manhattan might be submerged in something like 500 years or so IF the upward trend is properly calculated and continues and all of the factors estimated in the models are a close match to actual contributing factors, which is, to put it bluntly, highly unlikely.  It’s all imaginary goblins being sold to people in an attempt to give more money to third world countries for the alleged damage the US has made concerning global warming.  It’s an attempt to stop people from using fossil fuels and having a comfortable life.  It’s an attempt to punish developed countries for their success.  None of the predictions of gloom and doom have materialized.

Weather is just as it always has been—variable throughout the globe and throughout the seasons.  It is not changing any more than it did in the past.  The globe itself may be holding more heat in, but we don’t know why and we don’t know how much.  It’s all speculation with the aid of a computer.